Dagurnott

[trendkill]

I find Dag to be just fine. He's not that hard to deal with from what I have seen.

[Phox]

And overpowered

...it's what he's supposed to do? Plus all those heroes' ults cause conditions. He's really not too bad as long as you're smart about him.

[Hell_Tempest]

Kassar rapes him.

RAPES.

Dag basically can't do much when he's kd`ed.

[Rectifier]

Knock Kassar down after with a stomp?

[Hell_Tempest]

The kd for Dag isn't long enough to help, and you are kd`ed more often anyway, too the point where you can't do anything.

[Rising_Dusk]

What Tempest means to say is that spiking Dagurnott is the best way to take him down.

[VZManticoran]

I also find that it's often more useful to just HIT him, than to poke conditions at him. If you throw anything but Blind/Maim/Cripple, he can throw it right back at you fairly easily. AND he will have -dmg while under it. Rose's ultimate is happy-time for him, it's 45 seconds in which he takes 20% less physical damage. Hell, if I had a choice with Dag, I'd constantly have Burn and Bleed and Ruin on him, simply because that's -60/85% physical damage from enemies. And with surprisingly few items, he can outregen the bleed/burn damage, especially if he gets Carapace.

While I realize this happens VERY rarely, a Whitewater/Rites/Sanc/Carapace/Dragonscale/Flamebrand Dag is pretty much unkillable. Has permanent -65% physical damage, then -12 damage from that, and gains 30 health every time he attacks, plus from conditions near him... The bleed/burn deal only about 15 dps, which is NOTHING compared to his regen at the level he'd get all this. It's great fun.

[SetaSoujirou]

I'm wondering how a Dagurnott can even obtain all of this faction and still be considered a tank.

[Meliarune]

Some had been thinking the same about Kharn in AotZ really.

[Rising_Dusk]

Remember that faction comes from being near destroyed structures too. It's very easy for a tank character like Dagurnott to support a siege and earn a buttload of faction. You can also be pooled for what it's worth. Also, Shockwave is a pretty devastating assist skill for killing heroes.

[SetaSoujirou]

Yeah, but are you really going to have that many kills/assists when sieging? A side-base is only worth 7 faction, if you're getting all the faction from each building atleast. I can count maybe 30-ish buildings where you can get faction, and in reality, you aren't going to be every where + get hero kills/assists.

[Hell_Tempest]

Shockwave and then let creeps kill the kd`ed heroes xD.

And "ALL ENEMIES MUST DIE!" on a tower = GG during a push.

[VZManticoran]

Or shockwave, and then Enemies Must Die on the knockdowned heroes.

[Hell_Tempest]

Exactly. I've also found the "Enemies Must Die!" is a good harassment skill at early levels, because it forces the enemy hero to go back to heal or to exhaust their potions.

[assassingao]

Exactly. I've also found the "Enemies Must Die!" is a good harassment skill at early levels, because it forces the enemy hero to go back to heal or to exhaust their potions.

I wish that it would work on trebuchets as well...ah damn.