Melee heroes and you

[Hell_Tempest]

The shop issue arises again.

[Greenspawn]

Buzz kill. It's a thought.

[Hell_Tempest]

All I'm saying is that somebody would have to come up with a way of countering that issue.

[Rectifier]

I don't like how some heroes suffer from conditions while others thrive on them, but then again thats after I tried playing Glasse against any of the new Order heroes.

[assassingao]

You guys are joking, right? Ever hear of ruin?

Anyhow, assasingao... Those all look like variations of what Dusk had suggested (and is in fact implementing, I believe), just different conditions. Not trying to bash you or anything, but yeah.

That is intentional, I don't want sandstorm stunning people.


I mean, all channeling spell would become MOOT against heroes that deals physical damage per second and apply conditions, that have the item.


Also, Scourge + Rendabi + Imperfection is quite awesome, you'll never know when you're gonna die.

[Vinnam]

I just thought of something crazy and probably un-implementable...

How about having the upgrade shop in the middle of that big honking pond? Have it be a murloc to explain why it even got there, and have it accesible only by using the new flying item mules.

[Rising_Dusk]

That sounds kind of terribly, actually, mostly because of how confusing and contrived it'd be for newer players.

[Vinnam]

Hence the reason I said crazy and un-implementable . Not from a coding standpoint, I assume, but from an aesthetic one.

[Mundaine]

Sorry if I didn't read over this entire thread, but what if you made it possible to simply make an item type "socketable" where the item has an ability to merge with another item with the same "socketable" type, for the cost of faction however. If players merely need to see that they can combine certain items, they'll figure out their own combos, and combining certain items would become relatively simple, and intuitive. No buying a potion or anything, just a little tid bit on the itmes to say they can be merged for 3F and you're done. You just click and join, if you don't have enough faction, it'd display a message and nothing would happen. We could also make a trigger that would allow one to break apart items and retrieve the faction, so that making a mistake, or wanting to combine different items later, would be possible. If the problem with too many item shows, a simple item drop, or a message displaying it cannot be broken, can be made...

[Rising_Dusk]

Socketing systems add virtually nothing to a map except a weird manner of having recipes into a map. Really, I think this upgrade system is quite awesome for DoE and I really don't think any augmentations of it in other directions are going to be useful.

[Mundaine]

Now I'm not saying that I wish to impose my will on you or anything or argue what items should be put in, just that socketed items and upgrading items both do mainly the same thing; take some mediocre items and make them better. The only difference is that socketed adds a little more diversity. And besides, if you set it up right, as in make all socketable items combinable with all other socketed items, then you'd have a system just as intuitive as anything else. JUST as intuitive as knowing how to upgrade items.

[Rising_Dusk]

...take some mediocre items and make them better.

Yes, except one method requires it to have around N^(Socket Stuffer Count) items made in the object editor in order for tooltips to be intuitive (Since they aren't dynamic) and the other requires N^1 objects where N is the number of upgradeable items in your map in both cases. If tooltips were dynamic, I'd agree with you, but that they aren't makes your socketing system either not informative enough or requires you to left click the God damned item you socketed, opening up another 6 slots with the sockets... And that's just a load of contrived bullshit that makes it hella complicated.

Upgraded items within the framework of WC3 are unquestionably more intuitive.

[Greenspawn]

Will this upgrade system upgrade the basic shop items or the ones which cost faction?

[Mundaine]

...take some mediocre items and make them better.

Yes, except one method requires it to have around N^(Socket Stuffer Count) items made in the object editor in order for tooltips to be intuitive (Since they aren't dynamic) and the other requires N^1 objects where N is the number of upgradeable items in your map in both cases. If tooltips were dynamic, I'd agree with you, but that they aren't makes your socketing system either not informative enough or requires you to left click the God damned item you socketed, opening up another 6 slots with the sockets... And that's just a load of contrived bullshit that makes it hella complicated.

Upgraded items within the framework of WC3 are unquestionably more intuitive.

Actually you're first assumption was more of what I was going for, the 6 slots thing would be, and i agree with you here, way too much for just a little system. Well then, perhaps the easiest way would be to simply make upgradable items and not even get an upgrade kit? you just click and BAM, if you have faction, instantly upgrades, else it doesn't. That could work, plus it would allow players to not have to return to the base to upgrade and it wouldn't take any more code than with the upgrade kit idea.

[Phox]

Will this upgrade system upgrade the basic shop items or the ones which cost faction?

Just the basic ones.

Actually you're first assumption was more of what I was going for, the 6 slots thing would be, and i agree with you here, way too much for just a little system. Well then, perhaps the easiest way would be to simply make upgradable items and not even get an upgrade kit? you just click and BAM, if you have faction, instantly upgrades, else it doesn't. That could work, plus it would allow players to not have to return to the base to upgrade and it wouldn't take any more code than with the upgrade kit idea.

I honestly think that's too easy to screw up. I might missclick, or forget to right-click one of my items when I'm selling it, and end up spending faction on it.