1.09b Discussion

[Loki]

Because the spell replacements are still debatable and the hero balance problems.

[Rising_Dusk]

Because I have a life.

[Uber Noob]

I think something still needs to be done with the spawn count even if the solution is inelegant... as long as it doesn't disrupt the gameplay or is exploitable. It's irritating when a new player, drunk player, or someone who isn't paying attention buys a drake/golem spawn when it is already at 4 and screws up the cool down when you're intending to buy those two spawns during the next wave, and that next wave could have caused the enemy to lose their expansion base.

I believe it's something that should be looked at if DoE's going to be a competitive map. Perhaps change the fundamentals of unit spawns to be similar to AotZ, so when you purchase a spawn, it is instantly summoned and goes on its own, like the Judgment, Leviathan and other cohorts. Of course if this were to happen, the amounts of spawn units available would probably need to be reduced and/or increased in costs.

Or why not just add the bought spawns when the counter is at 4 to the second, third, fourth, fifth wave, whatever, if applicable, instead of just refunding the money and losing the unit. I imagine this would be a headache though.

If not... revamp the complete spawning purchasing system?

That's my take...

PS: Please make the screen shake for a second or two when Maltheron's Catastrophe lands on the ground! It looks cool, but it's a little meh when it lands... and it'd be the only spell using the camera shake function so it shouldn't be a problem... add a little more flavor to it.

Player 1: WTF was that earthquake?!
Player 2: Oh, just a huge chunk of moon shit hitting our world.

[Phox]

Camera shaking is nothing but a pain. Perhaps it'd add flavor, but it's stupid for gameplay, imo.

As for the spawns, it would be awesome if something was done, but changing it to AotZ's system is not it.

[Rising_Dusk]

If not... revamp the complete spawning purchasing system?

No.

Or why not just add the bought spawns when the counter is at 4 to the second, third, fourth, fifth wave, whatever, if applicable, instead of just refunding the money and losing the unit. I imagine this would be a headache though.

It's not that difficult to set up a queue-style spawn system, but it's indeed a headache from a player point of view. Say 4 things are hired and a bunch of random buttons are clicked, you have no idea what to expect, and if your mind changes before the 12th wave, you can't change what will spawn. That's just as bad, if not truthfully far worse, as the noob clicking the dragon accidentally and wasting it.

If this were AotZ, I'd make the earth shake. The truth, though, is that DoE is focusing more on the gameplay and interactions and so little adjustments like that would be unwarranted. If I added a screen shaking to Catastrophe, there'd be numerous other things I'd have to do at the community's behest, resulting in turning DoE into AotZ. No thanks, man.

[SetaSoujirou]

I have thought nothing of camera shaking. EVER. If anything, it's a nuisance. It adds an effect that most people will end up IGNORING after seeing it for the 2nd time. (Evidently over 100+ if it were implemented) Most people don't stare at their catastrophe when it's landing anyway. You've got better things to do than watch it (typically miss).

[Rising_Dusk]

It's coming...

[LightburneR]

It's coming...

I didn't get that post.... does that mean that 1.09c is going to be released or something else is coming?

Or is there a joke I'm not getting :S

[SetaSoujirou]

IT'S COMING.
(New DoE version.)

[Rising_Dusk]

It's ready, more or less. I'm still not satisfied with Corrosion's replacement or Jhita as a whole, but I can't honestly think of anything that'd fit what I want them to do. Silly damned critters.

[assassingao]

What about Fire Emblem's replacement?

[2-P]

And what happend to Jhita so far? Maybe someone has an idea.

You can always remove him if you're not happy with him. =/

[SetaSoujirou]

Fire emblem has already been replaced.
I don't think simply removing Jhita works at this point, 2-P.

[TheDeathstalker]

More specifically, Fire Emblem is now Feuer Frei!, but with a few tweaks.

I also don't think dusk really wants to just scrap Jhita all together, as it's a cool concept, which can work brilliantly, it just needs to somehow work out better than it does. Not to mention that removing Jhita leaves the Bane one hero down, which means that another potentially unbalanced hero will enter the fold, and that means even more work, etc, etc.

[Rising_Dusk]

What about Fire Emblem's replacement?

It's awesome, so I didn't find a need to say anything about it.

You can always remove him if you're not happy with him. =/

I'd prefer to keep the sides even. But so far I've just made his ult easier to miss with and Explosive Arrows less imbalanced. Still, though, I'm unhappy with the general state of Splinter Cell. It's too click-shooty, and I'm kind of against making random line skills for him, he needs a different type of skill-demand. That is to say, Splinter Cell is great now, but sucks in terms of requiring a brain to use.

He's really the kicker for me releasing 1.10 today. If I can figure out a way to make him satisfactory, I'll toss it out, otherwise I'm just going to hold onto it until I can.